9x19mm Parabellum is by far the most popular handgun cartridge for self-defense in the world. My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. Very few handgun rounds will stop reliably with one shot or "knock him down." People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. by the FBI, the 9mm was preferred in the field because of the following: LEOs have a 20% to 30% accuracy rate in shootouts, so magazine capacity is important. Bullet Jacket: Copper. And Federal claims that their new Hydra-shok Deep in .380 consistently meets FBI standards for penetration, expansion, and weight retention. One thing I see a lot of people point to as proof that the 9mm is nearly identical to the .45 ACP in performance is the FBI testing protocol. My favorite, but too heavy for every day is my 4" 41 Mag Smith. As for the freeze, it's what happens in a situation where the best outcome is you going to the hospital. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. Hot stuff. After some trial and error I did find a 9mm I was comfortable with and it concealed well. Based on tests of 12 hollowpoints, the 9mm pistol and the 9mm carbine produced the same average estimated wound ballistics. OTOH their .45 testing showed a much higher max muzzle energy with a number of rounds considerably over 600 ft lb, and had far more rounds (23 rounds) coming in over 500 ft lb. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely canceled out in some states due to magazine restrictions. * lighter recoil faster follow up shot (see above) https://guninstructor.net/Strasborg_Tests.pdf **Specialty round for snub nose revolvers (low speed expansion)**, Copyright 2009 | Ballistics101.com | All rights reserved. While I do agree with your statements about the improvements in ammo, I must disagree And, once you get below 9 rounds in the weapon, bullet effectiveness becomes much more important. Also, the barrel length and quality of the propellant significantly affects the speed of the bullet. Or pick up some Federal HST 185 grain 45 ACP, 1140 fps! The .45 has proven itself, period. They resent that Europeans don't know or understand America or Americans, yet Europeans seem to have this superior attitude anyway. Capacity is a good factor to concern as long as rounds are selectively placed otherwise is just becomes another spray and part scenario. Some has been published here and I am working on other barrel length projects. Thanks for the article, and for the mature comments. Select what level shooter you are! Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. Your mileage will vary. 26+1 rounds of 45 in a 5 pound package with little to no recoil? All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does hold, Well, this might rock your world but I recommend getting one of each, While there are a number of compact .45 ACP models on the market, as a general rule, you can expect the 9mm to be more, Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. Recoil isnt an issue in a Glock and my G30 has out shot a few custom guns. Bottom line though all are great weapons. I would most def go with 9mm for carry You never know how many attackers you will be dealing with & if they all have weapons themselves, the more ammo you can shoot the better Plus if you scared of not a enough knock down power with the 9mm. I found the same thing using mag primers vs stock. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. Just ask the coroners - they can't tell the difference between someone shot by the two (they came definitely tell when a rifle is involved though). The 25 loads tested characterize a spectrum of what is available today at retail and have representative samples from the least expensive range ammo to the most advanced self-defense loads made for. Muzzle Energy. Download our exclusive shooting targets for FREE ($47 value) This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what's better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. Wound channels identical, higher capacity, better follow-up, more platforms to choose from, cheaper to shoot plus . chicks dig guys who carry 9mm. Would it be possible to get the raw test data? And yet after reading all the evidence about the benefits of 9mm and I'm already heavily invested in 9mm (and happy with it) I'm still looking at buying a 1911 because it seems everyone feels like they have to own at least one. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. I rely on my skill to execute the shot. I like the best solution: buy at least one of each. Correct. The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. For reasons I can't quite explain, this particular powder just didn't get along with that rifle. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. I shoot 240 consistently with my 40 and would never carry a 9 unless I had to. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjW3I71693mAhVGZM0KHXzxCngQFjAAegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28 Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. Lmao. Easier to conceal and handle. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. By Josh Wayner A bonus is that you can use higher capacity magazines (9mmP & 45ACP) in both Glocks ;) Bye, Karl. Luger presented his new round to both Great Britain and the U.S. before it was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and the German Army four years later. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. It feels good in the hand, is built like a tank, and definitely a 'cool' looking piece. Speed is an important factor for ballistic performance, impacting accuracy, trajectory, energy, and penetration. I heard the military downgraded calibers bcuz nowadays more ppl are inexperienced shooters. Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. I have shot many things living and not w both calibers and i have to say that 45acp does noticeably more damage. Even within AR-15s, muzzle velocity might be very different from gun to gun. Hmmm, always been a 1911 45cal chap,although 38cal is certainly better than 9mm which has been known to bounce off suspects believe it or not.Good article,interesting points! LCP Max may be a contender for that first category, but I might wait for the Glock answer (a 42x? The campground lot got sold. The LaserLyte is bore set low to compensate up to 300 yds. What-ever you choose.get practice. Don't come here like an expert when you clearly base all of your knowledge on YouTube videos you've watched. You'll now receive newsletters of our best articles on techniques, I'm pretty sure the .50 AE can kill the soul. Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. Both in MY OPINION have similar kick to them. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. This is simply not true. I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. Yes I have owned many 9mm, when I was younger. First of all, a higher muzzle velocity will mean a straighter trajectory down range. 9mm is the solution. Their unique testing is quite helpful in choosing ammo and seeing what happens in similar barrels. A range instructor at Camp Pendleton once told me most would-be handgun shooters would be more effective hurling the pistol itself at the enemy rather than trying to aim and fire it. Ad & Review Requests 11k plains, 6k tanks, 300k trucks, and 3 million tons of food were sent by the USA to the USSR. I chose 45 acp. 9mm rarely reaches major (165PF) unless specially loaded and unsafe if you ask me. Must It is heavy and rattles, and the bullet is fat, short, and slow." As a retired LEO during the transition to semi-auto in the 80s, what is too politically incorrect and never mentioned is more females and smaller statured people entered the military and law enforcement. back in 1971, couple years ago! Thats why baseball bats must be held a certain way because of the grain. I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. If Im going with a traditional hollow point, give me .45 ACP Federal HST +P at 950 FPS. Well, accuracy can be paramount. The 150-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,820, while the 180-grain has a muzzle velocity of 2,620 feet per second. I want harm for nobody, and especially me and mine, too. I feel like this is the answer and I plan on purchasing one soon for myself and my wife. Let's be honest here, most gun handlers simply do not practice enough to be reliable pistoleers. https://ammo.com/articles/handgun-wounding-factors-guide A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. Fast enough to hit your target and put it down. Doesnt get any simpler than that. The consistent data is wonderful, but it made for a rather boring graph when it was all said and done. The problem is you can't always be sure of what's behind your target in a defensive situation. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. The velocity gains experienced were so unsurprising that I found that I was able to guess before looking at the chronograph by the time I was shooting the Glock 34. Close your eyes, then bring the weapon up to bear. 1 shot equals. Offensive vs defensive role - as an offensive weapon the military choose the .45, as does most (all male) special operations units who have a choice. wrapped in plastic and carried in chest pocket for the sauve qui peut event that could occur on a 5 Man patrol: weapon broken or having to swim River to E&E. I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. I'm removing that link since it looks like it was redirected. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. Proponents of the spray say that the spray is more effective, because you don't have to worry about getting out your gun and having the presence of mind to get on target in a few seconds. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. Any 9mm up to 147 will increase all the way up to 17 none increase beyond that. My preference is for the .45 (partly due to the fact that though I've fired a 9mm, I don't own one but mainly through greater familiarity with the .45 & having a decent stock of ammunition for same) but I don't think a person would go wrong with the 9mm & for that matter (even though it wasn't included in the comparison) the .38. Youve shot hundreds of people with both 45ACP and 9mm under exacting reproducible scientific conditions ? I know the kimber is a little bit bigger but from what I can tell not a noticeable difference because the sig comes with an extended clip with a finger grip on it which you would definitely want if you didnt want your little finger to hang off the bottom. Both kills, but one kills instantly, the other allows for return fire from your attacker. An extended double stack .45 mag will give you the larger magazine capacity. Well cover the calibers capabilities and offer velocity, energy and bullet drop data for the most popular 919 loads at AmmoToGo.com. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. I like the beef of an ACP. A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. I am pretty much in agreement with the author, GET BOTH! This doesn't mean I don't own a 9mm. It appears that overall, the optimal barrel length for 9mm (for something like an AR-15 pistol build, SBR, or similar setup), is about 7 to 8 inches for maximum efficiency and handling, though going longer can still have benefits. .308. "the 9mm has evolved to the current power of the 45 acp" as if there have been no developments in the 45 acp and the 45 acp has stood still. I have always heard greater mass can cause over penetration, and certainly fast and heavy bullets go through people. Also buy a super bright flash light it will help you see and blind the intruder. You WILL freeze and lose hearing and fine motor control. No need to buy specialized rounds. you can not have any mags that hold more then 10 rounds, so I had to buy 10 round mags for the model 59 and at the same time I found 10 round ags for the m1991A. CQB scenarios where youre within the 17 engagements and you want to do work quietly, the .45 ACP has all of the advantages. However, that damage is effectively wasted since the cartridges were designed so that they worked as ball ammo. The stand-out loads among those that I tested are again from Lehigh Defense. ), or a S&W in 30 Super Carry. For me, it's an SR1911, an old 4x4 Toyota with a stick, and a Pedulla my choices on all 3 are exactly the same i thought that was oddly coincidental since all 3 are not the most common choices. What metric are we using to judge us as the winners of ww2? Even though this is supposed to be an excellent round, with great expansion in gelatin, this bullet had almost zero expansion. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. 230 grain .45 +p at 950fps is moving at least as fast as the 9mm subsonic 147 grain round. Impressive. I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent shoot him with a 45 that does not over penetrate and has 80+% energy transfer or 275 lbs minimum and the fight is over. the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. Or is it just a complex but unimportant piece of data, meant for people who are seriously interested in (and can mentally tolerate) the complex physics of shooting? If you notice, .40 S&W and .45 ACP have the same average energy, but as I showed earlier, .45 ACP penetrates more on gel tests. The Army, (of course), received them first. Due to all of these factors, law enforcement orders of 9mm ammo from all major ammunition manufacturers have spiked significantly. For more than 30 years, the Beretta M9 and M9A1 have been the standard sidearm of the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. The 22 TCM is just a steroid version. When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. Mechanics of Handgun Wounding The 9mm is super small and light weight (about 16oz empty) and the 1911 weighs almost twice that. I don't know-seek advice. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. There is a plethora of loads in both 9mm and .45 that do a better job of expanding and out perform the FBI test rounds in nearly every way. You don't want to let the wind blow it away and waste it if the bear isn't moving. Speer 124 Grain 9mm Ammo Average Velocity: 1158 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 369 ft/lbs. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. Go out and shoot some pumpkins, you will see the massive difference between 45 and 9mm. They hardly hit that number. (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the, The U.S. Army eventually switched over to the. Firing 12 rounds my 9 mm wouldn't penetrate it or do catastrophic damage to it. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. The recoil may be heavy for some but since I am a big guy, recoil has never been an issue for me. Im from South America and police there uses 9mm round nose, enough to kill more outlaws in 1 month that all the US police in 5 years. Something I noticed was that the percentage of loss among all nine millimeter loads between extremes in length was approximately 10%. Lots of experts claiming facts on stopping power, energy, penetration, etc. I cant say how other .40 S&W feel/shoot, but any of my friends that have shot the 96 love its accuracy and low recoil. And, lighter projectiles shed velocity faster than heavier projectiles. Compromise. That said -- memes are really meant to be funny and normally tongue-in-cheek :). Not sure which one is best for you? A couple of things: 1. They need a lot more practice. I'm sure this was a terrible feeling for him. Some people prefer the heavier feel of a .45 ACP, while others find the light and slim nature of the 9mm easier to use. Plus they have extended mags of many sizes Or back the other way, you can run 9mm NATO, +P adn all of that song and dance. Or does it take a .500 Smith? He probably also thought that a .22 LR will bounce around inside the rib cage. Take all this with a pinch of salt, I'm no expert. And you are citing nothing but your feelings ! For me personally I guarantee you I'll stop an attacker in fraction of the time you'll do it with a 9mm aiming center mass. And the one kept loaded in the bio-lock case bedside is the Colt's Government Issue, with 2 clips of Hornady Critical Defense alongside. Thanks. to find out what would be the optimal barrel length. Not only are the Lehigh loads the most visually appealing due to their artful machining, but they ranked the highest in uniformity and had some of the lowest SD (standard deviation) of anything tested. They are extremely different. But barrier's and body armor slows 45's down to BB gun effectiveness! I've owned & fired both repeatable over the years. I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. First; opinions are like, well you know, the hole on your back side. However, if the same linebacker hits you at a sprinting speed of 14 miles per hour, its really going to hurt. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. A 9mm fires . .357 SIG has the fastest velocity by far, but is in the middle of the pack with .40 S&W. While a 9mm is discussing the situation A 45ACP ends the Debate..with prejudice. Could I ask you why every special forces in the world including the Seals and SAS use 9mm MP5s mostly. Bullet Weight: 124gr. Watch key board warriors loose their mind. Youll see a muzzle velocity listed for nearly all ammo, sometimes even right on the box. It also delivers additional felt recoil and comes with slightly higher recoil velocity. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! 20-30% really isn't that bad. If I saw a bear close that wasn't moving, I'd get the spray out and slowly back off, and use it if he started coming my way. Clumsy, deaf and with tunnel vision. Again, I am not claiming anything is conclusive, but what I can say is that it does not appear that lighter faster bullets appear to penetrate more. More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. 30.30 That being said .45 with light for home defence and .380 hp for concealed carry. I have a Sig 1911 Ultra Compact .45 and a Sig P938 9mm. Yes, that is the case, the .45 Thompson has ridiculous recoil. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/45auto.html I dont have much experience with 45s but my nieces husband (recently retired LEO) said his crew tested both 45 &9s extensively snd came to the conclusion that the 45 was quicker and more accurate on follow up shots due to the push back in the hand rather than the muzzle jump of the 9mm. In addition to firearms-related work, Josh enjoys working with animals and researching conservation projects in his home state of Michigan. If we had no guns, we would still be part of the UK (and I for one think the world would be worse off for it). And honestly the 357magnum puts em both to shame. First mag size for home or personal defense holds no water! I know pros miss under stress. Last time I saw the statistics on it, most domestic self defense gun fights occur in 6 or less feet. or 38 & 45 both. I am ex military and I have seen way to many hiccups with autos and semi autos. Ammunition research (from notes Ive made from sources) The history they told me was that the military originally was using a 38 something or other, but some weird fanatical types just kept coming at them in one of our many obscure little wars. I'm dead. So, the muzzle velocity of a 2-inch (51 mm) barrel is less than that of a 4-inch (100 mm) barrel, which is less than that of a 6-inch (150 mm) barrel. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. The G21 is for home defense. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Our Friends Obviously, he didn't get me. Hard recoil can also impact follow-up shots in self-defense situations, so some recommend slower cartridges as opposed to hotter rounds, especially for smaller or weaker gun owners. Next, speed of follow-up shots doesn't come from the caliber. Per chance were you assigned to Devonshire Division of LAPD? A .45 is a solid push in you hand. Not in California and some other states that stop you a 10 rounds mags. I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. I carried and used the 45 ACP in the military. The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). Or blind them. So it's infuriating to Americans that Europeans haven't a clue that the US has BOTH a central government and all these states, each of which has its own government and laws, which are often at odds with each other and the federal government's laws. 30.06 With half coming in under 400 ft lb. In .45 acp, with 230 grain target rounds we started shooting the same targets we shot with the 9mm and 38 spl, well guess what I have both, I have practiced more with the 45 ACP. What I read about that encounter sickened me. The answer is 40SW. As a civilian I doubt the I will need an ammo dump under my gun to defend my life. What do you think? Having said that, in my humble opinion, I prefer the big slow moving .45. They need to check the real world outcomes. Just feel more secure with that big fat slow round. Everything is a compromise. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. Maoris beware. For the elderly, the recoil of the standard 1911 45 is lesser because of its weight. Today it sends your readers to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence." But after doing extensive research I've come to the conclusion that the ultimate home defense gun other than a 12 gauge would be a 45 pistol like the CMMG Banshee with a suppressor. Kind of like when they took away the man stoppin 308 cal m14 and gave them a stinking 223 varmint round to fight a war with in nam. The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. The birdshot might mess someone up, it might kill them if close enough I suppose. 4. 9mm: FMJ (Military Classic) 115: 389: 1234: 9mm: FMJ: 115: 338: 1150 . a G43 to an AR15 fight. Most shootouts are long range. If you can place three (3) rounds in the black, the debate of 9mm vs 45 acp does not really mater. 9mm is not close. And if USA made the job in the Pacific, in Europe it was USSR, for WW2. In a gunfight, every round which is fired, by either side, is potentially lethal. Its such a pathetic argument. With advancements in technology since its introduction at the turn of the 20th century, the 9mm is able to deliver similar terminal performance to rounds with heavier bullets such as the 45 ACP and 40 S&W. Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and thats it. 9mm loads frequently deliver a muzzle energy greater than 300 ft lbs. Later "Well, this might rock your world but Id recommend getting one of each." Prvi PPU 9mm Ammunition White Box PP9124WB 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket CASE 1000 Rounds. My test pistols came in the uniform shape of a Glock 43 (3.39), Glock 19 (4), and Glock 34 (5.3). Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. If the wound channel is indeed the same, then the 45 is the inferior round in all regards except home defense. Wish you had more ammo brands like in the 45 acp test you did. My .380 S&W Bodyguard is so small, I'm considering getting a slightly larger .380 with a longer barrel for backup. Obviously, the increased velocity will impact terminal ballistic performance. The .40's heavier bullet means that when fired, it has a little slower velocity. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. It is therefore not only the most popular handgun cartridge in America, but very likely the most popular cartridge period. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. Then buy noise canceling ear muffs for about $20 because if you ever pop one off indoors it will hurt your ears. The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. These are FBI statistics. The G 17 is probably the most carried pistol in American LE. Whereas in .45, fully half of the rounds made 500 ft lb or more in a 6" barrel, and one round made better than 600 ft lb The pistol has a dropleg tactical holster that holds 4 extra 9RD mags. I load for accuracy which to me is far more important. If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. I mean, the FBI testing protocol is just like Mil-Specit sounds cool til you actually know what it is. Come to the UK. Great article. The big difference in the 9mm and .45 which is often overlooked is if you have less than a 4 barrel on your 9mm even the the best (law enforcement grade) ammo under preformed; which negates the smaller 9mms, I like and own both and both have a mission. 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