And notice that Steve kept saying, Yeah, it says all have sinned. Jesus, of course, is the exception. Trent made the comment about the word until thats used in Second Samuel, but it uses the word [Greek 00:37:31], not [Greek 00:37:31]. Mark - Hello Christie, thank you so much for . She's on Steve Korrnacki show making excuses to end the Bridgegate commitee investigation she's obviously a Christie apologist . 16. And they talks about how they offered cakes on alters to Mary. I do talk about how much evidence that Greek word has for the immaculate conception, and I also note in my book its use in the Book of Sirach. He is resolutely atheist, but not of the 'religion poisons everything' variety; he thinks institutional religion - while based on an entirely false premise - can evolve and be a force for good. Not just saying that because theyre paying me, although that definitely helps. Thats fine. In that day, you will surely die. Which he eventually did. Mary also did not need to be bodily assumed to heaven like Enoch and Elijah, so they would not see death, supported by the earliest church tradition, indirectly supported by Scripture, and strongly implied by the dogma itself. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967)[1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. I do. Offering a sacrifice to Mary would be an inappropriate. For example, Denver seminary professor Joseph Dodson says, Scholars for at least three centuries have found value in comparing the deuterocanonical book of Wisdom and Romans (The Powers of Personification: Rhetorical Purpose in the Book of Wisdom and the Letter to the Romans). Paul himself reaffirms this in Romans 9:11. But they disagree about that because at least infant baptism, for many Protestants, at least it doesnt contradict Scripture, even if Scripture is silent on the matter. Its free to watch the podcast. Okay. The 34-yard field goal came with just :03 seconds to play, lifting the Bills to 4-4 on the season. Hebrews 11:5 states, "By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death.' And he was not found because God took him up. For example, in Hebrews 9:27, it says that it is appointed for men to die once and then face judgment and this is true for basically every single human being whoever lived, except for some exceptions like Lazarus and people that Jesus raised from the dead who died twice. Its a way to begin exploration of it. Yeah. Cyril of Jerusalem refers to Baruch as the prophet, cites Baruch 3:35-37 in defense of the deity of Christ and includes Baruch in the writings of Jeremiah in his list of the canon. James White: Steve Ray is a Dolt, Dunce, Imbecile, Idiot, and Ignoramus *** [] What is clear is that Ray has not seriously interacted with anything other than this kind of "Jack Chick/Dave Hunt . Steve Christie joins me this week to discuss how he got started in apologetics and why it is important. Mary had this early body. So idolatry, according to the catechism and paragraph 2113 says idolatry consists in divinizing what is not God. No, of course not. The fact that Mary died doesnt prove that she committed a sin any more than the fact that Jesus died does not prove that he inherited sin or committed a sin. And this was a dogmatic constitution of the church by Pope Paul VI. The Protoevangelium of James does talk about Mary being very mature for her age, walking at an early age, for example, and being precocious. When Mary says My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God, my savior. This doesnt prove that Mary committed a sin. Yeah. Check out our newest Lake Effect team. Oh, absolutely. Number two is when Steve said, well, I dont think the church died off. And even there, he admitted it doesnt explicitly talk about Mary. While Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit, the Psalmists wrote, In sin, my mother conceived me. Echoed later by the apostle Paul all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Greek word translated all [foreign language 00:08:51] translated everyone, which includes Mary in her conception, but obviously not Jesus since scripture explicitly states, Jesus was without sin. He offered them in the debate. Hebrews 11:35 describes a group of people in the Old Testament period who were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they may rise again to a better life. The only record of this is found in 2 Maccabees 7, which describes brothers who accept torture at the hands of the Seleucids instead of eating pork and violating Jewish law. And I would say the same applies to Mary, were just having different views about what counts as divine revelation. He is also a registered nurse and Steve discusses the challenges of balancing ministry and a career. So I think Catholics have a way to honor Mary as the mother of God without divinizing her. But once again, we wouldnt assume Go ahead. It has all the free resources including the Study Guide to his first book, all his Bible studies, and his contact info: http://vernisage.us/stevechristie/ Steve Christie has also appeared on the Third Man Podcast: Steve Christie has written several books: WHY PROTESTANT BIBLES ARE SMALLER: A Defense of the Although the Pharisees had authority regarding ritual practices, they did not have doctrinal authority over other Jews, including those who came to believe Jesus was the messiah. Edward John Carnell - was a prominent and influential Christian theologian and apologist. None of that is required by Greek grammar or what the verses say. In week 1 vs. the Tennessee Titans, Christie went 3 for 4 on field-goal attempts (41, 42, & 33 yards). All right, so the Bible does not say that Mary committed a sin. How do we know that theyre brothers? Just as eating from the tree of life wouldve resulted in Adam physically living forever likewise, Adam, eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, result put into him physically dying. For example, the Essene Jews, whose writings have been preserved in the Dead Sea Scrolls, recognized the deuterocanonical books as Scripture. Its like, because-. Landlord. Okay. Trent had mentioned about, Well, it could mean sister-in-law. Well, the apostle John actually quoted from the Old Testament, from the Septuagint, frequently. The Greek root is used in Matthew 1:21 to describe Jesus who will save his people from their sins. So do it. Dr. Tony Costa and Steve Christie, The Issue of Canon and Sola Scriptura - The Council, Presuppositional Apologetics Round Up: Third week of August 2021 | The Domain for Truth, Response to Sam Shamoun's post Purgatory debate recap of Dr. Michael Brown against William Albrecht - The Council, Responding to Gary Michuta's Abel to Zechariah Counter-Arguments with Steve Christie & Paul - The Council, The Marian Dogmas Contradict Scripture, Trent Horn Vs. Steve Christie - The Council, Necessitarianism: Conceive of the Possibilities. No, Im not saying that the use of the definite article means that Mary had only one child. David K. Clark - apologist with notable books; teaches at Bethel Seminary. Ive crowned myself king, and I demand it. Mary was able to do something that Jesus didnt. That was a really well articulated opening statement and I appreciate it. Lets see how much we can get through. I would say the church subsist in the Catholic church though other non-Catholic Christians have an imperfect communion with the church. If anything, Revelation chapter 12 verses one through six describes Mary being in heaven. Okay. (Horn V. Christie) About Ap315: The mission of Apologetics 315 is to provide educational resources for the defense of the Christian faith, with the goal of strengthening the faith of believers and engaging the questions and challenges of other worldviews. After Marys days of purification were completed in Luke two, she made burnt and sin offerings, which according to Leviticus 12 was required of mothers to make atonement or to cover their sins, which Mary would not need to do if she were immaculately conceived. The only son? Even if Mary were speaking of salvation from sin, she may be speaking about God, preventing her from sinning and saving her in that way, like we might say how a doctor saved someone from a disease by vaccinating them, rather than by giving them a pill to cure them after the infection. Steve, where can people learn more about you and the good stuff youve done? Mary being the mother of God, ever virgin, immaculately conceived and bodily assumed into heaven. So youre going to agree it does not deny Mary was assumed into heaven? Yet, if Mary did not inherit the stain of original sin passed down from Adam, she would not have died and therefore no need to rescue her from death before her earthly life ended. On the one hand he could show the Bible teaches the opposite of these dogmas regarding Mary as an individual. And yeah, I would just encourage others, Ive always said this, I dont see debates as a way to end an issue. Some of the ways Trent and I would agree that a dogma contradicts scripture is explicitly, implicitly, or partially. I would probably enjoy Clement of Rome, even though 1 Clement wasnt written by an individual, but rather there was a poly group of bishops in 1 Clement. So just a historical note for everybody watching. If Mary was conceived sinless and kept the law perfectly, then Christ could not be her savior. So my point would be that if we would show that devotion to the means through which Jesus died, why wouldnt we show that similar devotion through the means by which Jesus was born? She goes on to say, My spirit rejoices in God, my savior for or because he has regarded the lowest state of his handmaiden. Mary then describes how God saves people from threats in this life by exalting the lowly or feeding the hungry. Do you know him? So whenever you want to begin, I will click the 10 minute button. As long the difference between Mariological title versus Christological title, thats probably where we would disagree, but go ahead. Dr. Steven A. Christie MD Radiology General Radiology Kendall, FL Male 21+ Yrs Experience English 7500 SW 87th Ave, Kendall, FL Overview Location & Contact Education & Experience Overview. I think thats really terrific. If I could just. Mounce writes, Nicodemus politely says Jesus is a teacher; but when Nicodemus does not understand the necessity of a spiritual rebirth, Jesus questions his status as the teacher, an authoritative rabbi (A Teacher or The Teacher?). I think it will be. No, thats fine. Or are they all good? A person could be a Protestant, because we have to understand what a Protestant is and we have to go back to the Reformation for it. What is pure fiction cannot be used as factual evidences. How about Marys parents and Joseph who was from the same tribe who she was betrothed to? Who was the first person you could say, Yeah, thats my theology. He says, Steve. In 2 Kings 2:11, Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven, meaning he did not see death either before being assumed to heaven. So does this mean that James was Zebedees only son? Please click that. I bet maybe you would kneel before it in prayer, you would weep to see that through this means our salvation was procured. 15. So much the same way Jesus was free from original sin and personal sin, yet when he was on the cross, its not like the nails couldnt go through his hands because hes free from sin, so hes immortal. This passage also contradicts the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary since Jesus mother was with Jesus brothers in verses 20 to 21, when they accused him of being out of his senses. So maybe you could focus on the other three, which obviously you disagree with all these three Marion dogmas, but which do you think would be the easiest for you to get on board with? Theres nothing in scripture that states that Mary was an exception to this. In 2015 Christie was named Executive Director of Sports at Mastermind Lounge, LLC. Steve Christie Co-founder at Provizio; Accident Prevention Technology Belfast Metropolitan Area Proviz.io, +2 more Queen's University Belfast Steve Christie Advisor - Halliburton Consulting. 2022 Defenders Media All Rights Reserved, Apologetics315 is a ministry of Defenders Media, 501(c)(3) a non-profit organization. Now in the Septuagint as well as in the New Testament, adelphos is used to talk about people who have the same father but different mothers. 17. But I mean, some of the early ones, Id probably Definitely not Judas Iscariot. Their issue is not about Mary. When Mary declared God, my savior. In Luke 1:47, she understood that Jesus was the savior to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins, in Acts 5:31 and in Titus 2:9-11, which included her own. And the same is true for Mary. The word adelphos is used numerous times in both the Old and New Testament to describe people who have had the same parents. On March 5, 2008 Christie retired from professional football. Good day, Trent. So my question for you then would be what are some objections you hear from Protestants that when you hear them, you think, Oh goodness, you dont even understand the Catholic position. So starting with Trent. So Im well aware of that. For example, it may be a reference to the minor prophet Zechariah (who was killed in the temple according to the Targum on Lamentations) as opposed to the Zechariah in Chronicles. Steve Christie (Author of Good Deed) Steve Christie Goodreads Author Born in Aberdeen Scotland., The United Kingdom Website http://stevechristieauthor.blogspot.co.uk/ Twitter schristieauthor Genre Crime Influences Great Scottish fiction writers who can conjour up a good descriptive s .more Member Since August 2010 URL So when it comes to Mary, idolatry would occur if we were to give Mary worship that is due to God alone. So the protestant reformers like Luther and Zwingly, did they believe Mary was a perpetual Virgin and were they committed to Sola scriptura? The night before that, we did an examination of conscience together. 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