I hope they have. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. Their theory was very shaky. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . I did not shoot my children.. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. I write about cases where due process is in question and important aspects were ignored or twisted. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. Im sure nothing I write will change that. Andthe DA adopted her other two children. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Diane herself stated Cheryl was asleep on the front floorboard completely covered up with Dianes jacket how the hell did a stranger or a hitman(one of Dianes OTHER stories) KNOW Cheryl was there. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. To listen to Christies taped conversation, click below. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Robert Schlosser, Cathy's father, lives in a 900 . Diane then replied, so, put her back on the stand and make her tell the truth. He said he would when it was his turn, but never did. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. Gosh Donna, you really dont have a clue. Reduces conflict because communication is limited. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. They would have tried to reopen the case. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. and so on. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Detective Welch reminded Diane of the assault her sister witnessed in February 1983, in which steve Downs broke Dianes tailbone (Appendix 74, page 1025). Downs wanted to get rid of the kids because her new boyfriend didn't want . She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. I do not declare her innocent. The prosecutor didn't even know that after the Mother's Day road rage incident in 2020, Rivas was charged in Maryland with leaving the scene of another accident involving bodily injury. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. In a perfect world this would always be the case. She repeated it years later at school. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. It was a dark and rural road. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. Mission accomplished. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. I wish she could get a new look. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. While I appreciate your empathy for the victims of this crime, I have to wonder if all murderers should be locked up their entire life? Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. Weve become friends. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. And the fact that Tracy wrote in his notes that Christies reaction could have been excitement to see her mom but they decided to only mention extreme fear? What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Diane had siblings and parents. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. You hit the nail right on the head. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. CK was willing to take, or attempt to take, the lives of 4 people in order to steal their car. I wanted to ask you something on this case. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. I agree on many points with your comment. But saying that you are not very smart is useless. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. I would like to believe this is the truth. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty. Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. Do not take this so personally. Nuts maybe, but not threatening. why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. It was not the right gun. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Yes Gigi, the same judge who had removed the children was also presiding over her trial. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. I would love to hear your answers to them. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. That says it all. I care about what was said at trial. Rule defended her right to earn a living and to tell her story. I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. I agree. Agreed. Basically then at that #corrupt. If they could not find the gun or any trace of a shooting on Diane, and you think shes guilty, it would mean she had an accomplice. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. Back to DD, I think she suffered some kind of mental breakdown, her account of the facts was never reliable, all the case appears murky, which points to an incompetent handling of the situation by the police and justice system. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. It has nothing to do with the facts of the case. The underlying basis of this article. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. Legally speaking, we do not go after people because they look evil or crazy. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. Even put in different hospitals. The fact that the Hugis did so successfully is arguably proof of this. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. You seem to care about my opinion and perception of some elements of the case and how the media poisoned the well in this instance, but what about the trial? The prosecutor would gently shake his head and the good judge would follow with a ruling. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. And yes, its your site, but dont act like a site is open for discussion if its not. 2. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Five doctors have observed and documented this phenomenon. How asinine. As a result, joint legal custody which means parents share in the decision-making 1 is becoming the default decision in many family court systems. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. 6. Doing it without witnesses when she was so sick is underhanded. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. She was the prosecutions only hope. This happened in 1983, not 1893. I agree about pregnancy and childbirth affecting women differently, and even having different effects for the same woman with different pregnancies. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. I agree with your comment. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. No excuse there. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. Rule even talked about writing a book about her but it never materialized. The fact that she was driving five miles per hour to the hospital says it all as a mother myself, I dont care how hurt or mentally damaged I was, I would drive that car 100 MPH to get my children to safety. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. People tend to forget that the group of young women hanging out with Manson were deeply engaged in serious drug use and totally out of their mind at the time. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. Fair question. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. I agree that the phone call from Angel was totally inappropriate. But I am more than willing to review any new info. (Appendix 81, page 1466). I am not one sided. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. Its a rather large part of the story. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. What was the justification? She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. 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