The. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. Cpl. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. He said, `What can happen?'. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). decision. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. He, consumed by anger. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. Shirley. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. She was deranged. What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Very brave parents. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. My gut just churned. 1 Photo. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? "It's a blur of emotion." Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. A tragedy that could have been prevented. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. Mommy loves you. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. IE 11 is not supported. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. Not always.. They would go to Pennsylvania to . whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. Zachary didn't seem like. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. I was truly shocked when I watched it. Related:Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. I sat there. Did. See rank. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. Get help and learn more about the design. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. And this book was okay. I--we both did. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. Andrew is dead. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. Did anyone have more friends than he? $19.46 2 New from $19.46. Reviewed in the United States on January 15, 2017, This is a book written by David Bagby about the murder of his son by his mentally ill obsessed stalker Dr. Shirley Turner. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Zachary, I love you, baby. Change is slow. get in there, if that's what she demanded. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". His parents were ecstatic. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. Unfortunately, there is not court case, as the accused murderer killed herself. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. Zachary thought he could just walk. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. and our I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. It's great. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. The reason we go through the lawyers is so that we. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. They're like, `What do you mean?' When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. I hate it. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. 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It could spare other families the rage and pain suffered by the couple since the murder of their grandson, Zachary, at the hands of his mother in Newfoundland. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. (Talking in group) This is not about money. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. David reacted with anger. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. It's great. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. We don't--we don't gush very much. The movie had me in tears and in rage all at once. Was it a tight bond? Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. He and his wife also participated in a. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' It took a series of calls, but Kate eventually heard the words she so feared. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Another guy and I said, `Sure. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. Why would she say that if he wasn't? Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? Very powerful story, artfully told. It would take two weeks. Serious crime is rare in this country. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. This year is different. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. And he was beautiful, Kate says. And that always radiated through the house.. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. How could a woman be in jail on a suicide watch one day and be taking care of his grandson the next? The night was. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Obsessive and unstable, Shirley Turner lied to the police and fled to her family home in Newfoundland before she could be arrested. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. Right, right. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. Theyre as much in love as any couple Ive ever seen in my life, anywhere, says Andrews lifelong friend Kuenne. Cpl. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? You know? Cpl. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. Lifes ability to hand us the unbearable is matched only by the ability of the human spirit to somehow handle it. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. It's. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. They were living like students, says the Rev. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. Mr. KUENNE: I vowed to collect every memory for you before they, MORRISON: As for Andrew's parents, David and Kate, they were, (Graduation photo of Andrew, Kate and David; Shirley with child). ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. He is campaigning to change Canadian bail law so no one charged with murder is allowed to walk the streets like Shirley Turner. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. First she killed Andrew Bagby. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. He said, `The psychotic bitch. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Zachary's corpse described him as looking up to the sky. Would dismantling Interstate 980 repair damage to Black neighborhoods? MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. The Hornet was just back from patrolling . CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. She would never go away. David was taking pictures, Kate says. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. If one thinks the American justice system is slow moving and against the victim most times, then one should encounter the Canadian justice system. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. They have a network of supporters. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. 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